January 23, 2018 at 12:04 am #2154
Julia What is a law in America that states that in any field women, because they are women, are lesser to men and shall be treated as such? Because I cannot answer this question, I believe that men and women have equal rights.
In 1963, JFK passed a law that mandated that men and women get paid the same for equal work. The main issue is that women are not necessarily doing equal work. For example, women, on average, work less overtime, work less hours, ask for promotions and pay raises less, take more sick and vacation days, etc. Imagine for a second that companies could actually pay women 63 cents for each dollar that they would pay a man. No company would ever higher a man unless they were out of women. This is since paying employees tends to be a companies largest expenditures. Cutting these costs by such drastic measures means more to any company than the patriarchy or whatever.
Plus, why call it a women’s march if it is simply not about women, but the liberal agenda?January 23, 2018 at 12:19 am #2155
Dylan for the love of all that is holy can you not see the problems in that tired argument? I know that legally you can’t do that stuff. But wow, people break the laws and discriminate in hiring and such? What madness is that? Maybe hostile environments force women out of careers? Maybe equal work is bullshit because work and pay are not always related. Ask any poor game dev about work and pay, because those poor saps get no sleep for months and probably get no overtime as well. Good luck finding a better job, probably 30 college kids waiting to replace you for less money. So that whole argument about equal work is basically destroyed by over saturation of certain fields, human psychology, and common sense.
If you do anything at all please read this next line:
HUMANS ARE NOT PERFECT, JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING ISN’t LEGAL DOESN’T MEAN PEOPLE WON’t DO IT!January 23, 2018 at 12:24 am #2157
Dylan, I know you wish you were Reagan but no one can live up to that legend.
@Julia: DACA is a legitimate point, and assuming Trump got that ban enforced on transgender people serving in the military, that is concerning as well. As for pro choice expression, I don’t really get where women are coming from. Roe V. Wade isn’t going anywhere, and even if funding for abortions is cut from planned parenthood, one partner can always wear a condom (I am pro-choice but have some reservations about tax money funding abortions since I believe that life starts once the fetus feels pain, which scientific evidence claims is at 20 weeks, but that’s irrelevant to this).
As for healthcare I believe the best way to ensure access to affordable healthcare is through a free market system. Obamacare has been a disaster for Americans. People pay more on their premiums today than they did before Obamacare. If we have a socialist health care system (like Bernie Sanders and many in the democratic party do) we will have the disaster that is the Canadian health care system, where it takes hours to see a doctor at emergency service clinics, multiple weeks to schedule and get a surgery, and where innovation to new medicine stalls under a government run system.January 23, 2018 at 12:27 am #2158
Health care rates are awful in america, SOOOOOO much money for surgery and stuff that like doesnt cost as much overseas. And parts of Obamacare, like nondiscrimination are really important, especially since people shouldn’t be punished for using heath care because companies want a profit. Honestly health care probably should be nonprofitJanuary 23, 2018 at 12:31 am #2159
But why should the government be spending money on healthcare? Why should the government be granting citizenship to people who came here illegally? Why are you putting all this faith in the government to do a better job because you give it more power despite it already sucking. No government will ever be the best at anything, so it is important to not give the government too much power.January 23, 2018 at 12:34 am #2160
Additionally, women who are not paid as much as their male counterparts can and should press legal action against the company that did that. That is the purpose of that law. That is how it is enforced. What would be so different about this new anti pay discrimination law that everyone is raving against that makes it any better than the old one? Does is cure cancer or give people a magic wish? No? Then why have it in the first place?January 23, 2018 at 12:35 am #2161
First, for the love of god my last name is spelled
I would agree that people shouldn’t be turned away from receiving care because of a pre-existing condition. However, we can all agree that Obamacare did not work out as well as Obama pitched it. Ideally I’d want health insurance to be based where people get to pick and chose what they specifically want covered, as I disagree with the government telling you what you must have covered.January 23, 2018 at 12:39 am #2162
Lol, Sam is pissed off about his name.
Also Sam, if you think that people with preexisting conditions shouldn’t be turned away from insurance (which comes from private companies) then clearly you don’t understand how insurance works. People pay into a pool and when they need money because they are hurt or sick, they take what they need. At the same time, a company manages this pool and makes a profit from this pool. This is since there aren’t people taking more than they are adding to it. Preexisting conditions usually do this which is why when companies see people with them, they try to avoid giving them insurance.January 23, 2018 at 12:40 am #2163
@sam the Slovak sloth
I agree but think there was some merit, because honestly if someone didn’t force you to would you buy health care, even if you really do need it in US due to high medical bills
@dylan the tulloch
I wasn’t even talking about pay discrimination not sure why you started to again.
And i dont put my faith in government, but I have ideas for what government could be. WE need to start building that government as a country, if we just accept that the gov isnt doing as good a job as it needs to and give up because of that we will never get anywhere in lifeJanuary 23, 2018 at 12:44 am #2164
@dylan the dunkmaster
Thats why I was saying health care shouldn’t be public, because profit based models will not service the people as good as a well built public health care system with no goal but helping people pay for expensive health care, regardless of their condition, sex, age, weight, whatever. We shouldn’t allow discrimination of services
@sam the Slovenian sleuth
i will keep doing this to your name until i sleepJanuary 23, 2018 at 12:46 am #2165
@dylan, yes this is why premiums are so high b/c private companies have to cover EVERYONE, including those with pre-existing conditions. I’ll admit there should be something for people who are specifically turned away because of that. I’d be lieing if I said I know everything because honestly I don’t LOL. You heard it here first folks, I DON’T KNOW EVERYTHING!!! I do believe a socailist health care system would be worse, but I hope America can find a way to cover ppl with pre-existing conditions without hurting other Americans.January 23, 2018 at 1:00 am #2166
How did we get here from the Women’s March?January 23, 2018 at 1:01 am #2167
I blame Zeyue…January 23, 2018 at 11:25 pm #2172
Literally only person who referenced me was @Max Shiffman
Also communism would solve everything.January 24, 2018 at 4:01 pm #2174
Communism would solve nothing, in fact, communism has caused a significant number of the issues in the modern world and recent history. It is best to avoid it at most if not all costs.
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